I would just like to offer my living experience to others. I live in a 6'x9' delivery truck that I converted to a living space. I used found objects, used stuff, and basic materials where possible. I have a solar panel to charge the battery. Skylight to see the stars. I get about 19 mpg. A space so small is not for everyone, but on nice days I can go to a park, and it becomes "my" backyard. I travel to see friends, offer them help, and much like the movie link posted, have plenty of time to offer people. If you are thinking of living in an alternative dwelling, just do it! Learn from your mistakes, don't worry about making them! There are people all over this world making a conscious decision to live more deliberately. Hoooray!
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 5:41 PMThanks for your post. I'm really interested in hearing others' stories (and seeing pics) along these lines. As much as I ALWAYS wanted to travel around & take my time visiting various areas, somehow I got it into my head that I "could never afford to do anything like that!". I think I [subconsciously] translated the notion to expensive 32-ft RVs and all that goes with maintaining them ( big costs up front plus needing to be a mechanic or afford expensive repairs, etc). Only recently have I begun to re-evaluate my assumptions. I'm not a huge fan of long-term camping (the tent variety that is), but have come to realize that a small travel trailer (or converted bus/truck/van) can be about as comfortable as a cheap motel, or moreso----- no worries about when the sheets were last changed, crack dealers hanging out twenty feet outside your room, etc. And how many things could possibly go wrong with a simple 16-ft or smaller trailer, that would make it inoperable? In other words, if it doesn't have an engine or transmission to break down, it's basically a box on an axle and tires--- how hard could it be to keep it roadworthy? I saw in an rv tribe that Craig's List in San Francisco often has very* cheap or free rvs and campers----"cheap" in this case meaning several hundred dollars, and well under $1000 at most. I'm not seeing that in my area (NC is not a great place for bargains, probably because the population is not as high as some areas, it's not as affluent as places in AZ, CA, etc where some people practically throw away unused luxury items). In the mid-Atlanta region it seems that individual owners sell good used travel trailers for $1000-$3000, still affordable. Of course dealers' asking prices are higher. I should make it clear that I'm not talking about the gigantic, new-ish luxury "Pace Arrow"s, where you plug in your a/c, and all other amenities, and barely ever walk outside. I'm talking a little more along the "roughing it" lines, but some definite steps above tent-camping or sleeping crunched between milk crates in a 4x6 pickup bed. I'm getting close to buying something, getting excited about the idea that I really CAN travel around and enjoy life a little more--- for a relatively small investment.
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Thu, February 22, 2007 - 1:36 PMI lived in a bus with an ex for a while. It was cumbersome to drive and find places to park and whenever we stopped people flocked to ask if we (gasp) lived in it. But we had a lot of creature comforts.
Now I live in a van. It's small, but I can go anywhere and park anywhere. If I didn't spend so much time camping in remote parts of national forests it wouldn't be as practical as it is. Tho there are people who vandwell in cities and it must be practical for them. -
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Mon, January 14, 2008 - 8:23 PMWhat kind of work do you do to earn what ever money you need? This is a curiosity of mine. I envy the idea of living without anaddress and such.
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Mon, January 14, 2008 - 10:22 PMAs for myself I work currently as a stagehand. right now we are in phoenix getting the superbowl ready. but there are LOTS of ways to live "on-the-road" I even go so far to say that it is more than just a few tips and tricks, it can be a lifestyle.
Expenses break down two ways, gas/maintenance and food. food is easy, every town has food boxes at the churches or homeless shelters, dumpsters overflow with food that can be judiciously eaten, and even Unca Sam'll kick ya some food stamps once in a while if'n you're homeless (livin in your truck is homeless to them) So, I usually only spend money on food if there's some food I'm craving.
In the past I personally have worked daylabor, posted ads on bulletin boards in "cool" coffeeshops, sold jewelry and played guitar on the street, flown signs for repair money, just about everything short of selling my body...check that, i've tried to sell blood plasma.
It's all about living by your wits. Your needs are decreased, simplicity is key. Getting what you NEED becomes less of a problem when you need little.
Oh, and "without an address" would be nearly impossible. It's only true that I don't have a constant address where I can be found, cept email. For other 'official' correspondence I use friend's addresses.
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Sat, April 26, 2008 - 7:39 AMHi tara,
I like your idea of living on the road,as for me I am looking for a small motorhome to do it in.
What I need to research is places to travel to,work and stay a while like following the weather.
Have a good day,see ya on the road. Bill - Loveland,Ohio.
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Sun, February 25, 2007 - 3:45 PMHey all, I'm glad to see interest and hear of others plans to live on the road. As far as the details of my "delivery truck", I do have a couple of pics on my profile. His name is Willie Utillie, and he is a 1990 Utilimaster Aeromate. Utilimaster is the company that makes so many of the big UPS/Fed Ex type trucks you see on the road. They produced the Aeromate from 1989-1994. It is an aluminum and fiberglass body build on the chassis of Dodge Caravan. Because it is FWD, the floor is pretty low to the ground, keeping it a low overall profile. Inside there is 6' of head clearance. They came with 4 or 6 cylinder motors, the one I have being a 4, which is great for gas mileage, (but I sometimes feel like a Flintstone floorboard would come in handy to get some extra power for up hills or against the wind!) I feel totally secure parking in the woods, streets or parking lots. I do have a door between the cab and box I can close at night, and most people have no idea I live inside. I salvaged a stove from an old camper, building a frame which holds a #20 Lp tank, which also hooks to a small furnace for heat. I replaced the main battery with a 120 amp hour marine battery, which more than covers my needs except when it gets cold and there is no sun, but then I just have to start the motor, and the battery is charged soon enough. I love to help out anyone else who is interested in such a way to live, and will answer any questions! For how I live and travel, I really feel smaller is better, much like Tara mentioned, for getting around, finding parking, and not causing too much of a scene. If it helps Eric, I also do construction, and have room to carry around most of the tools I need, so good luck!! -
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Sun, February 25, 2007 - 7:36 PMI do HVAC/R and I was wondering how you find work while you are traveling. I'm sure you do temporary jobs as you move from place to place to help sustain yourself, and I was wondering how you go about finding those jobs when you arrive at a new place.
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Mon, February 26, 2007 - 7:44 AMJust a thought here...I've traveled quite a bit.. .most communities of any size has day labor, most communities have unemployment centers with bulliten boards, most rural farming areas have local morning hangouts for farmers to hire someone for the day. If you have a vehicle and a cell fphone I would suggest investing in one of those magnetic signs saying something like " Male with good work ethic available for work>insert ph #< and maybe list some of your skills. ....just a suggestion.
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Mon, February 26, 2007 - 7:46 AMPS. also check local homeless shelters...most managers are usually willing to stir people in who actually want to work in the right direction.
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Mon, February 26, 2007 - 5:33 PMHi Goat,
As far as work goes, I usually have something lined up ahead of time in the general area I want to see. As an example, this past fall I lined up work with friends in Estes Park. When I arrived and started working, (remodeling a bathroom, landscaping, etc) the neighbors started to stop by and ask for help. I ended up working for four of them. Of course it helps to have general skills, as I can plumb, tile, drywall, paint, and trim a bathroom without calling in 3 different people. Word of mouth is really the best way I have to get jobs. As it is now, I have work in Estes Park whenever I want to go back, as people with houses are always planning the next change. To get work in other places, I have used Craigslist before, to both look for work, or to offer services. There are a lot of work opportunities in the building trades for a skilled craftsman, I'm not sure about HVAC work, but I would try craigslist for sure! The other thing that's hard for people with real houses to understand is that living in a truck, I can cut nearly all of my monthly bills out, so I don't have to work 40 hour weeks 50 weeks a year. Without the pressure, work seems to come along when I need it. :) -
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Mon, February 26, 2007 - 9:04 PMThanks Jim and Walking for the info. I really appreciate it.
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Sun, February 25, 2007 - 10:40 AMWoot! This is awesome to find this thread, as I am planning on doing something very similiar. I have a contstruction job this summer in wyoming and right now im shopping for either a small schoolbus or a F250 Truck to convert to veggie oil. I was thinking i would have a few solar panels for the batteries Engine/appliance and ive also heard of portable small windmills that you put up when you are parked. I hadnt thought of the skylight but that sounds great. I am on a mission, and it feels great!!! Seeing other people doing it really helps. Thnx for the inspiration. -
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Sun, February 25, 2007 - 3:15 PM"Delivery truck" could mean a lot of things. Cube truck, panel van, box truck, pickup w/ a cab, etc.
I've heard that a Cube Truck / Box Truck like this (www.dbs.umd.edu/motor/serv...s/1ton.php)
is a great stealth home. Especially if you can get one with the small door between the front and back. Roomy, tall enough to stand, flat roof, secure. Keep it white and clean and it looks like an "official" van. Throw in some high, narrow windows that look like vents, add a skylight.
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Tue, February 27, 2007 - 9:12 AMAS poor as I've been I've never lived in a truck, I could never and will never. But I really like the idea of converting truck containers into livable spaces. Imagine if they would do that instead of melting down the iron and making new one's. Think how much fuel and energy cost we could save as a planet. -
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Tue, February 27, 2007 - 7:31 PMI've never lived in a truck either, but there have been times in my life when I'm sure it would've been a bettter option than the one I chose, living situation-wise. Had I been able to find an affordable truck or camper at that time (these were pre-internet years when everything was harder to locate), I would've gone for it. I love the stealth nature of Walking's situation, It really isn't anyone else's business where any of us choose to reside. Walking, I'm guessing that your rather informal employment situation keeps you from having to provide a "physical address" in order to secure work, and also guessing that you have a physical address you can use for other "official"purposes. These days you cannot obtain a driver's license or vehicle registration, for example, without providing a physical address (rather than a post office box). Any "authority" ever bother you regarding where you're parked, inquiring as to whether you're "living in the truck" , etc? How do you handle internet access? I understand there's a small device now available that locates available high speed internet signals within 500 feet, for just such applications. It fits on a keychain, costs less than $20, and is available on Ebay, at Walmart, etc. Haven't tried it yet--- has anyone else? I plan to get one for camping/traveling---- figure I can pull into any hotel parking lot and grab a signal (or will the access be password-protected?). -
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Tue, February 27, 2007 - 8:05 PMI live out of a chevy 1500 pickup thru the summers. With a topper, and a bed built above the wheel wells, I have immediate bed space whenever/wherever needed. It is somewhat cramped without space to sit up unless you are in the cab, but less is more... sometimes.
Good points:
Low profile--- park and sleep anywhere and it looks unoccupied
decent gas mileage--
enough space for gear and some construction tools
go and park anywhere
easy to find parts or a mechanic
not so good points-
shitty gas mileage
not enough space for more gear and tools
tough to be invisible while living--- while cooking in parks, searching for public bathrooms
Most days, I feel blessed to be livin the rubber tramp life. the open road extends on and on
For internet, I usually use libraries (free) or internet cafes (easy).
happy tramping!
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Tue, February 27, 2007 - 8:37 PMIf you have a laptop with wireless it should be able to tell you what wireless connections are available at any given time. Sitting in my bedroom right now I can get a list of 9 wireless connections in my neighborhood. -
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Wed, February 28, 2007 - 10:26 AMThis is called "wardriving". Use that in your google search...
There is some great free software available for sniffing out Wireless networks called Netstumbler: www.netstumbler.com/downloads/
It is touchy about network cards but works great with a Buffalo PCMCIA card or an Orinoco. For an external cantenna go to:
Http://www.turnpoint.net/wireless/an...igchunk.html
I built one of these using a pinapple juice can and an emitter from: www.moonblinkwifi.com/pd_cantenna.cfm
This is a directional antenna and you can then use the netstumbler to identify a network strength and direction to "dial in" on it. With this system I was able to dial in a point to point wireless network that had a 2 mile range. Pretty good stuff. At one end was a Buffalo hi power wireless bridge that is actually on a freeway bridge here in Cali and it has now been on-line and transmitting vibration data with no hitches for 7 months now.
Please not that this is only to be used for site survey and identification purposes and any attempt to hack in to anybody's network is a federal crime. Generally you can find free services all over the place like university campuses, Etc.
A great place to go for finding free and legal hotspots is: www.wififreespot.com/ Thjere are many others though.
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Wed, February 28, 2007 - 11:33 AMThank you Dawg for the info & links!
Blessings,
Cher
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Wed, February 28, 2007 - 9:11 PMI do have a "permanent address" in my home town in Wisconsin, but for sure being self employed I don't have to provide this information in order to work (not YET, anyway). It does allow me a place to register my vehicle and is also where I have my drivers license. I haven't really been harassed at all by the authorities, (am I breaking a law?) although I do play it pretty safe. There are plenty of safe legal free places to stay when on the road, (truck stops/gas stations, wal-mart, cracker barrel, neighborhoods with street parking, national forests, free campgrounds, BLM land, Corp of engineers sites, some waysides/rest stops) and when I am working, I am always welcome to park in the driveway or on the road of the places I work. (Walking to work is one of my prerequisites for any job)
As far as internet goes, you can see from the other posts, it is pretty easy to get access with a laptop. I do have one of those small keychains, but really have found I don't need it, wi-fi is all over the place. Even without a laptop, the local library is usually free (with time limits).
I'm so excited to hear from others who are living and traveling in vehicles. Cheers Tara and nikO!! For me, it is not a choice I had to make because I am broke or poor, but the opposite, it is a way for me to be "rich" in so many ways! By measuring possessions I am surely the "poorest" in my family and circle of friends, but I am the one who can travel and spend weeks or months with them, time is my luxury, and I actually have cash to travel places. I also get to meet so many interesting people along the way! Yippee! I do hope to one day offer a place for other travelers to stop, to visit, to pass through or stay.
Abe, I am so curious to hear more about your thoughts on never living in a truck, (size? convenience?) but converting truck containers to housing. Do you mean for other people to live in them? Or you just don't like the idea of moving around? Or maybe connecting more than one?
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Wed, February 28, 2007 - 10:34 PMI love this tribe, and this thread. :)
Walking wrote: "...There are plenty of safe legal free places to stay when on the road, (truck stops/gas stations, wal-mart, cracker barrel, neighborhoods with street parking, national forests, free campgrounds, BLM land, Corp of engineers sites, some waysides/rest stops) ".
I have been "run off" (told to move on, told I could not park there, told I would be ticketed if I didn't move the car & drive away "now!!!" while legally parked on a public street...for less than ten minutes. This was in the southwest. A friend and I were sitting in the car talking, legally parked in an unmetered parking space. Actually, we were also eating fast food, from the fast food restaurant some 60 feet away. Our food wrappers and cups were clearly marked as having come from the restaurant we'd just driven away from. The neighborhood was home to a lot of hookers, and this was just after sundown, so the cop's "rationale" was that anyone who parked on the street was a john.....yeah, right, with my female friend sitting in the car with me, $15 worth of fast food spread out everywhere in the car. Yeah, my dates and I always like to barter with the hookers, in case we can trade some cheeseburgers for sex. :0
Point being, cops can and do hassle people (telling them "you can't park here") even if you're not breaking any law. If you argue, the cop just finds some other reason to ticket or arrest you. So I'm delighted to hear you haven't run into that, Walking.
Re Corps of Engineers land, I've always had to pay a fee even to enter (albeit it nominal, $2-$5), and more to camp or park overnight. I bought an annual pass for something like $40. But have never been able to enter, or park overnight for free. That's in the southeast . Ditto state parks here--- roughly $15-23 per night to camp . Not really all that cheap. North Carolina rest stops have signs posted "No Overnight Parking". I do it anyway (in a car) and have never been harassed or asked to leave. I'm interested in finding out more (and starting to compile my own database) about free camping areas , as I'm going to be camping a lot this year. I've been doing a lot of research about the whole Walmart thing. Bottom line, almost all Walmarts allow overnight parking for one night at a time, except in Arizona, where it's often not permitted (city ordinances, not Walmart policy). Apparently, some assholes have threatened to blow the free Walmart deal, via being really stupid and obvious about it----- setting up grills and lawn chairs all over the parking lots, camping out for a week at a time, being noisy, running back and forth from rv to rv with this raucous "party" atmosphere that generated complaints, etc. My Walmart plan (with pickup + trailer) is to park in the farthest corner of the parking lot, move on after one night.
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Thu, March 1, 2007 - 7:13 AMHey all, there is a whole world of information and resources in the retired folks realm. You know, you see those silverhaired RVer's all over the place, well, this is one place they exchange tips on RV living! (although they wouldn't hear of living in F250!!) www.woodalls.com/cforum/in...s/forum/33 -
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Thu, March 1, 2007 - 6:49 PM^ Yep,old people are a wealth of information.
Also check out www.freecampgrounds.com, the book Don Wrights Guide to Free Campgrounds, and the forums at escapees.infopop.cc/eve/ubb.x
For free camping on national forests don't go to a park with big signs. You can look at a map and find a little dirt road that goes into the park and drive it (there will almost certainly be little windy pull off places for camping) or you can call the ranger station people and ask where you can camp for free - it works!
I've been hassled by cops a couple times in the van. I'm just sickeningly sweet and submissive until I get away from them.
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Sun, March 4, 2007 - 6:37 AM"it is a way for me to be "rich" in so many ways! "
Word. I appreciate the no-rent (except for gas prices), and how if you don't like the neighbors (po-lice) you can always move.
Richness ain't necessarily the material riches around us, right? I find great richness in my freedom from rent, freedom from other's itineraries, and freedom to go go go.
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Sun, February 10, 2008 - 6:47 PMbeing totally inconspicuous is the key. i have a chevy stepvan(breadtruck) it is white with black bumpers, no bumper stickers no trash or clothing (home items ) visible in the cab. i wash it regularly. i do not park where i am going to sleep until i am ready to sleep, then lights out! if you have bicycles and solar panels hanging off your vehicle, and a hippie paint job, bald tires and a layer of dirt on your vehicle or you are seen cooking or lounging around it smoking dope and listening to the dead, you will be hassled. tip of the day: external visible padlock on rear door(s). dummy padlock on door between box and cab. box appears to be locked from the outside, so nobody should be inside. if you are quiet this will fool most of the people most of the time.
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Sun, February 10, 2008 - 7:51 PMin southern california there are many municipalities seeking to discourage "rubber tramps" by enacting regulations that prohibit parking r.v.'s , 1 ton trucks(duall wheels), vehicles over 21 ft. when buying my stepvan (not an r.v.) i specifically looked for an aluminum body (no rust), under 21 ft., 3/4 ton (no duall wheels). if you are going to be tramping in a specific place, find out what the operating parameters are. buy an inconspicuous rig with no ground level windows, do not park in tramp enclaves, you will be marked as a tramp by the police and hassled. if your scene is incognito and your vehicle appears to be commercial, park downtown near large apartment complexes, or in light industrial/housing/mixed use areas where there are a lot of contracter vehicles. park to sleep after 10 when most people are settled for the night, leave by 6:30. go to work, or a coffee shop. arrive at your sleeping place after people are settled, park and be silent, leave before they are out of the house/ walking the dog, etc.
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Thu, March 1, 2007 - 11:19 AMI'm seriously thinking about going all out and buying a 5th wheel trailer and a truck to pull it and living on the road myself. With a satellite dish I can take the internet with me, and I can use a friends address as my residence address, and re-imburse her for postage for forwarding my mail to me.
I would take a couple of friends with me, my dog, and my motorcycle, and would probably plan my route to arrive at field trials happening around the country that I could run my dog in.... And working here or there as I travel doing HVAC or refrigeration work.
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Thu, March 1, 2007 - 9:24 PMOne thing that the real ID act will do is make it next to impossible to get a drivers license without a permanent address. A way to clamp down on nomads maybe. So how to get a drivers license if you don't have a friend you can use for a permanent address? -
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Thu, March 1, 2007 - 9:42 PMIt's a tough problem B. There are people makin valid arguments that we need to be able to identify people in order to secure our country from Terrorist attack.
Personally, I think there are other, less invasive things we could be doing, and in my opinion, we should be doing, before we start infringing peoples civil liberties.
In any event, those are the rules now, so how do we follow them while maximizing our pursuit of happiness?
Make a friend who's address you can use as your permanent address?
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Thu, March 1, 2007 - 9:30 PMI bought a 5th wheel, 10 meters long. Bought it for Burning Man, drove it a thousand miles…very similar to shoes…
Quick list of issues that piss me off.
- If it only has two axels, and you lose a wheel, you have to pull over instantly. 3 axels ALWAYS.
- Make sure ALL wheels have breaks, some only have them on 2.
- You really need an intercom between the cab and the back.
- They are BIG, much bigger than you really want or need. People think they want the space, it really is a waste.
- Most of the controls suck, you will find you have to check a lot of things that a couple of dollars and a warning light would solve.
My plan is to sell it, and would much rather have a simple cab that mounts ON the truck. But, you might want to try it for yourself. Even better, try to borrow one for a week from a friend. Go through one full cycle (filling the water, emptying the waste, etc.).
I live in Maui and LA, one of my friends has a E350 van he custom built into a home in Maui. Very nicely done. Lived in it for 10 days recently for the fun of it. This added to my realization that you just don’t need (or really want) so much space).
Each person needs to try this for themselves though. If you even have the urge to do it, then you should just do it. It really cannot be explained from one person to the next, other than the mechanical things…
I’m designing a series of homes based on the foot prints of these towables in fact.
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Thu, March 1, 2007 - 9:45 PMThanks for your input and your check list. Very good points in your check list.
I know I'm a person who does need the space. I fret that the 5th wheel I want may not be enough space.
Did you drive the thing with passnegers in the trailer? How did they liek that? Iv'e heard people hate riding/sleeping in the trailer when it's on the road.
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Sat, March 3, 2007 - 1:17 PMIllegal in a trailer, but legal in a 5th wheel WITH a intercom.
My sister, her friend and a bunch of their kids were riding in her husbands 5th wheel and the intercom went down. Not a problem when they were on the hiway, but when they went off the road to get to the campground, the 3 mile dirt road was washed out and bumpy and they thought they were gonna die! All the kids sceaming and hollaring the doors and cubbards flying open while they were hanging out the door trying to flag her husband down. It did make for a funny story but she swears she will never ride back there again! -
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Sat, March 3, 2007 - 3:21 PMWalkie-talkies could come in handy!
I've known a few people who lived in their vehicles with moderate success. I have a friend who lived in his VW van for about 1-1/2 yrs and was able to cross the country a few times. He loved it for the most part, stopping at camp grounds along the way. He occasionally had trouble with the cops in town here (his homebase) but we live in an uptight county and the neighbors had issues. He ended up rented a place and getting a job but he's about to do it again. He just bought a 12-seat van that he's about to convert to live in since the owners of the house he rented are putting it up for sale.
My boyfriend also lived 2 years in his cabover camper on a truck. He had a place to park it permanently in the parking lot of his job so it was never an issue and he could take it out occasionally but he loved the flexibility of his little home on wheels. It had all the comforts of home, including wireless internet that he set up with a router from his work. He eventually got rid of it after moving in with me but we did buy and recently refurbish a vintage cabover which sits on a 4WD truck that we can take anywhere.
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