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I want a roof that will last 50 years minimum, hopefully 75+ years.
I want it to have incredible insulation value. It should keep the home-generated heat in during the winter, and the attic/bonus room area should not be hotter than the rest of the house during summer.
I want it to be affordable.
What do you know about roofing techniques, materials, slope, thickness, radiant barriers, moisture barriers, venting, etc etc?
Teach me please. I want to know every alternative trick to energy efficient and cost/material efficient roofing.
I want it to have incredible insulation value. It should keep the home-generated heat in during the winter, and the attic/bonus room area should not be hotter than the rest of the house during summer.
I want it to be affordable.
What do you know about roofing techniques, materials, slope, thickness, radiant barriers, moisture barriers, venting, etc etc?
Teach me please. I want to know every alternative trick to energy efficient and cost/material efficient roofing.
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Re: A roof overhead
Mon, April 13, 2009 - 12:01 PM50 to 75 years is a long time.
You might want to look at an earth roof for a house built under grade. That will give you great control over keeping it cool in summer and warm in winder. For a traditional roof from a long lasting material look at a steel roof. great fire protection as well, but you have to work to insulate it to keep the house cool in the summer.
The usual shingle roofs well never last 50 years. -
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Mon, April 13, 2009 - 12:16 PMAppreciated. I never liked shingles anyhow.
I plan to build a two story (one and a half story?) cottage of stone masonry walls, the upper level will be the 'bonus area' of the attic. So, the roof will most likely be steeply pitched, or have a compound-pitch like many barns, to maximize upper level space. Is one superior to the other, insofar as insulation, weatherproofing, and durability? (durability concerning storms, high wind, heavy snow, etc)
At any rate, keeping the rooms in the upper level from turning into solar ovens is crucial, they will be living spaces. Any suggestions on accomplishing this? -
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Re: A roof overhead
Mon, April 13, 2009 - 1:20 PMMany homes in the High Sierra (heavy snow load) use metal roofing. Wind resistant, durable, cost effective over it's long lifespan.
At risk of stating the obvious...
It is important to consider when you use metal roofing that the snow will slide off...so you need to plan for where the snow is going to land. Consider this in regard to driveways, entrances, windows, decking, and perimeter landscaping plans. Also, the simpler the roofline the easier this will occur, valley and flat spot tend toward accumulation, and this can create "ice dams" that will catch roofing edges, or creep under eves..Allowing the snow to slide off can be desirable though, as it is less stressful on load bearing walls, and there is less dripping from melting snow. Do not use gutters!
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Re: A roof overhead
Mon, April 13, 2009 - 4:09 PMThe "best" option for your particular requirements can only be had by knowing more about your location (mountainous? Permafrost zone? Desert conditions? Rainforest?).
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Mon, April 13, 2009 - 4:32 PMThere are two possible locations.
The first one would be here in the rockies. High elevation, semi-arid desert, not much rain aside from the summer afternoon thunder shower (high intensity but short duration. There are very few 24-hour rainstorms or longer), winter snow accumulation can pile up to 3 feet on the ground, more than that is rare and the average is more like a foot at a time. Lows in the winter nights are in the single digits to teens. Highs in the summer are upper nineties. Humidity is generally between 30-50%, usually hovering in the low 40's, mid 30's. Wind is generally mild, most days have light breeze and frequently we see 15-20mph fronts coming in, it would be newsworthy if the winds picked up faster than 35mph here. Generally the sun is bright and clear, more stark at these elevations and clean air.
The second location would be in the southeast, ozarks or Cumberland mountains. Rainfall is more regular, humidity is around 60-80%, snow accumulation is less than a foot during the occasional storm. Ice storms must be considered and can place an inch or more of solid ice on the roof, which is equivalent in weight to a foot of standing snow, yet presents other complications as well. Temperatures range from winter night lows of the mid teens to summer highs of low 90's, with less fluctuation between night and day than the previous more arid climate. Wind is even more mild due to the foliage cover and the height of the house. Sunlight is somewhat muted by high thin cloud cover and humidity.
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Sat, May 2, 2009 - 5:27 AMMy roof is 54 years old and basically like new. It has never leaked with the exception of the furnace stack ,,,which is no longer on the roof .
There is a skylight there now and I have electric heat. I have lived in the home 10 years. Its a 1955 Landola mobile home. The roof is a galvanized metal and I use kool seal to thinly coat it. This home has stainless steel windows also....they are rot proof. If taken care of.....the roof will last at least another 50 years. -
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Fri, May 8, 2009 - 8:06 PM"This home has stainless steel windows also...."
Must make for a very boring view, eh? Nice and shady inside though.
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Mon, May 4, 2009 - 3:02 PMAbout 10 feet of earth.
Better you decouple your requirements from each other.
High grade long lasting roofing can be had from metal slate or even polymers.
Insulation is separate. And you gotta consider whether your structure will need ventilation. a traditional stud frame and fiber glass system will require venting but a sprayed on foam system won't. You can spray right against the rafters and plywood sheathing.
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Fri, May 8, 2009 - 8:10 PMI've heard spray-on-foam and other non-ventillated insulation traps the heat in the roof layer, which, depending on what it's made of, is generally detrimental to it's longevity?
The roof will house a 'bonus area' like a second level of the house. two bedrooms and a small bathroom. It will not be airspace and rafters, or at least, not nearly as much as a conventional 'empty' attic space.
Sounds like metal is the way to go. How about insulation? What are some good options for this configuration? -
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Fri, May 8, 2009 - 8:14 PMI should also specify, the base of the roof ('ceiling' area of main floor) will be about twice as wide as the living space in the 'bonus' area.. so, we still have large 'crawl space' on the sides, and another triangular empty area above the ceiling. So for example, if the main floor is 25 feet by 40 feet long, the upper 'bonus' area would be centered above it at 12 feet wide and 40 feet long. Just an example.
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Tue, May 12, 2009 - 12:01 PMSpray on foam creates a permanent and impenetrable barrier against moisture by bonding intimately with the wood substrate.
Condensation and such needs an air pocket to form.
The worries about it causing moisture issues are unfounded.
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Wed, May 13, 2009 - 2:43 PMI was more thinking of the heat buildup on the roof. Without that convection running from the vents in the eaves to the top vents on the roof, constantly cooling the roof material.... seems like the spray-on foam would allow much more heat buildup to be retained in the roof, although the attic space probably stays cooler. Is this not detrimental to the longevity of many roof materials? -
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Re: A roof overhead
Wed, May 13, 2009 - 3:17 PMI'd guess that if you go with traditional roof trusses, then plywood with that radiant heat coating (think: thick tin foil glued onto one side), then galvanized steel, you'd have something that is strong, doesn't transmit heat, and will last the rest of your life. You can go one step farther and use spray-foam insulation on the bottom of the roof trusses / plywood and have your bonus area under HVAC too.
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Re: A roof overhead
Wed, May 13, 2009 - 3:26 PMKeep the roof cool by making it from a white or reflective material.
Heat is one of the things that can kill an asphalt shingle roof .
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Re: A roof overhead
Wed, May 27, 2009 - 10:46 PMlong lasting, incredibly well insulated, inexpensive. Pick any two:
Long lasting, I'd go with Copper sheeting. up to 200 years, unfortunately, depending on roof area, extremely expensive.
Insulating value, they make foam core panels, that can be stiched together, fairly easily, and covered with any roofing material you desire. inexpensive, but requires protection from the weather.
Inexpensive: my friend acquired several large cartons of used aluminum printing plates from the local paper, he "orgamied" them into new roofing shingles. The neighbors love reading the same comics page every day.
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Re: A roof overhead
Sat, June 6, 2009 - 10:05 AMOkay, so for cheap (read FREE in materials), inCREDIBLY labor intensive, and a 100 year lifespan, think thatch.
No kidding. There are thatched roofs still in place and functioning at 110 years. They're highly insulative, attractive, and eco friendly (its GRASS fer goshsakes).
Only the crown piece needs to be replaced every 20 years or so to assure watertightness.
