Yes, this is a plug... I'm posting it all over.
Please let me know what you think. I'm looking for input, interest, commentary, and partnerships.
Please let me know what you think. I'm looking for input, interest, commentary, and partnerships.
Wed, February 9, 2005 - 9:06 PMIt's an advanced design that has to hold a large quantity of water. That's not just glass, but 1/4 inch thick plexiglas designed for strength under intense weather conditions.
Keep browsing around the site, there's lots of pictures in and around the place. But, there are more pictures I have yet to post only because I haven't found a place to put them. You're not the first to ask for more images. Thanks for the input!
Sun, February 13, 2005 - 6:21 PMYou may be a friend of Ed's or his son here. I have been doing much research on domes on the net when I came across the biodome site. At first I thought it was the coolest thing ever. Then I decided to do some research. First, you pretty much have to live in the desert to even begin to make the expense of those water windows practicle. Second, you can't grow all of your vegetables in one dome because they all rely on different life cycles.
I ordered the video from Ed and it was the biggest waste of money. He doesn't provide you with any information that isn't on the site already.
He wants you to pay $2000 up front to sign him on as your contractor. What a waste. Everything on that site is so overpriced. You can find all the information you need on the web. All of the materials, the metal structure, the mesh, the foam, it's all available on the web. Why pay him so much money
Do some research before you commit to Ed's business venture.
Mon, February 14, 2005 - 2:11 PMIf them's fightin' words, I'd like to see somebody try to step in to the ring with me on this one.
Yeah, I'll stand by my research. I was extremely disappointed with Bio Home and the video. I don't know if he(mocha, the guy who posted the thread) is related to Ed, the founder of Bio home or not, but here is one reason why I think he may be so big on supporting him:
When I called Ed and talked to him on the phone, he made Bio Home sound like the updated version of Bucky Fuller's answer to sustainable living. When you visit Bio home's web site you think that it is it. Now get this, Ed told me that to build the Bio Home you must first pay him $2000 just to get started!!!! $2000 for his consultation. $2000 just to learn things that you can easily find on the web. For example, if you wanted to learn how to make a 13' diameter metal tubing (conduit) geodesic dome. You could pay Ed $1600. Or you could go to Desert Domes.com and lear step by step how to build one from materials purchased at Home Depot or Lowes or any other building supply store, complete with step by step pictures and diagrams.
So then get this. Ed tells me that he is looking for people to work for him to set up Bio Homes in their region of the country. "Motivated people like me." Sounds like one of those pyramid marketing schemes to me. So that is probably where this Mocha guy comes in to play. I think he may have already paid Ed for his services and is trying to make up for it.
So I figured I would invest $40 in the video, just to check it out and see. Ed tells me on the phone that he owns a video production company called Tilted Planet Productions and that he "Has a video production studio in his Bio Home!" Oh, so impressive. (more than a hint of sarcasm there)
Well I produce white water kayaking and rafting videos. That was the most pathetic attempt at a professional video I have ever seen. I don't even want to begin to critique the amateur 'acting' and elementary editing technique in a video that looks like it was made with a VHS camcorder from 1989. If you want to see what I am talking about, I will send you the video that I paid for, absolutely free. (That is if I haven't thrown it away or lost it.)
Like I said before, I don't think anybody wants to step into the debating ring with me. Especially when I know what I am talking about. I say to Mocha, "Bring it"
Sat, January 24, 2009 - 11:22 AMHello bh,
First of all thank you for your input. The reason I have produced the DVD is to weed out people who just want to pick my head. The answers you would like to have to your questions are not possible to give you with out more information. Each BioHOME is custom for the owners needs are site specific. The DVD explains how we work.
This dose stop a lot of people from going forward with us and that is ok.I am more concerned that a home owner builder understands what is involved, there are no cookie cutter stamp out BiioHOMEs.
All the best to you.
Edward B, Dilley Sr.
Sent: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 3:57 pm
You are wanting the general public to purchase answers to their questions
for $36??? There is no-one else in any industry I know of that charges
people to find out about a product they want to buy... this is NOT the way
to win customers.
Why not put a FAQ up like everyone else that is wanting to market something?
I as a prespective customer (yes, I've got several domes I'd like to
foam-over) wouldn't have to spend my time asking the questions, I could just
read the FAQ. And you wouldn't have to read these same questions over and
over and answer them again and again.
So... without further ado:
1.) What is the price on foaming a 20' dome? How about a 30' dome?
2.) How thick is the finishing coat put on the dome?
3.) Can other structures besides the metal ones you sell be coated?
4.) How long does the foam take to cure?
5.) Is there a suggested finish coat to be applied to the interier?
Mon, February 14, 2005 - 2:15 PMHey there mocha.
Are you related to Ed. I figured you must be the son he refers to when he said "My son says you can heat the Bio home with a hair drier and cool it with an ice cube."
Maybe you already bought into Ed's $2000 up fron buy-in fee and you are trying to make it back by selling some bio-homes yourself. Ed tried to lure me into that pyramid marketing scheme. If so, good luck. Infortunately, all of Ed's 'technology' that you are paying for is available on the web. If you want to read some more about how disappointed I am with Ed and Bio Home, just check out my reply to KB's reply to you.
Tue, February 15, 2005 - 12:33 AMwho in the hell is Ed? nevermind.
currently i am making a monolithic dome and using rebar for concrete slabs to make the framework and am tack welding low gauge wire rebar mesh to the outside of it for added support...
this is costing me:
7$ per 40 ft 1/2inch rebar
70$ per 150'x5' roll of wire mesh
dirt floor/no blow up crap
/with foam and cement adobe stuff
and I think when I am done with this indoor swimming pool/atrium dome I will have spent about $500 on materials...
now if someone was asking me to build them the same sort of thing? I would more than likely want a lot of dosh for sure!!
one time i built a bridge so I could go to this medicinal herb class here intown and I had wished I had just paid for the class!!! building stuff for other people is LAME. (unless its for the little kids on tv with flies all over their faces)(then its cool)
where can I get those water window things for less than a g(or for like 5$)(plexiglass is not that expensive)? I was just going to use glass cube things that are kinda like bricks and wine bottles for sunlite action and have a fire place for heat when its cold...
K to da B*
Tue, February 15, 2005 - 9:57 PMThat sounds like a real cool project KB. That is an interesting technique. How big of radius will the dome be? Are you welding the rebar into a geodesic pattern first or are you going to put it together like that little step by step cartoon on the tribe front page?
Also, I really am glad you put this tribe together. I have been doing lots of heavy research on this subject over the past 4 months.
Right now my plan is for a 26' 2 frequency geodesic dome made of hub and strut style with 2x6's for the struts and 4" schedule 80 pvc for the hubs. Will then frame out the windows (conventional bought real cheap) then cover the dome in plastic, spray-foam insulate the inside of the plastic and then cover the outside of the plastic with a thick elastomeric coating or maybe some of that new spray concrete stuff I read about at either this tribe or the green architecture tribe.
As for the water windows, there has to be a cheaper method. I must say that the water windows are probably the best and most inovative thing on the bio-home web site, that is if they really do work.letting light in but not heat is a good concept, especially if you live in the desert. For $800/piece I don't think I would risk the chance. Especially because I don't live in the desert. That is a lot of money for one window.
I agree that plexiglass isn't that expensive so why should they cost so much? Once again I think he is trying to make some cash on the R n D to produce them. He said on the phone that they are filled with some sort of clear "anti-freeze" solution to protect them from freezing and splitting on cold nights. Maybe if you could find some sort of clear antifreeze liquid you could probably find some plexiglass spheres to fill with it. Just the green antifreeze like you put in a car put into clear glass bottles and concreted into the dome might be kind of cool. Since it is for a pool the green lighting might be neat
That is a good point about if you built that dome and then sombody wanted you to build one for them you would charge them a lot of dosh. Of course you would if you were building it. How many people would you expect to pay you $2000 UP FRONT, just for information about your dome. That is not supplies or anything. Then those people would have to do all the labor and purchase all the supplies themself. I wouldn't expect you'd get much business.
Oh by the way, Ed is the owner and inventor of Bio Home. I talked to him on the phone. He seems like a nice guy and all but after wasting $40 on a video that, well I talked enough about that earlier, I just can't imagine anybody being uneducated enough to buy in to it.
That is another good comparison with the medicinal herbs but I think we are comparing apples and oranges here. medicinal herb use would require quite a bit more education I think.
Really I am waiting for mistermocha to respond. I want to hear why he is all tangled up in the project. I saw he lives in LA and Bio Home is based out of Nevada. They really are in the desert.
Wed, February 16, 2005 - 12:27 AMyeah, I'm doing this dome kinda like the cartoon pics on the frontpage of non tradish... I am shooting for a 50' or so diameter, or shouls I say domemeter>not funny...my main concern is getting the walls about a foot thick and I am more than likely going to do this by re application of concrete and foam.
I dont really get why they use the air forms to make the domes shape. I know it makes it a smooth round shape or whatever, but I feel like what I'm doing looks just as clean.
Also when I first discovered dome building up in Italy, TX about 15 years ago I was really disapointed to see these entry ways that look like regular houses with shingled roofs and square doorways that trash the whole dome concept.. I am using an electric garage door custom fitted without any change in the curve shiz and a wire grill drainage doorstep that keeps the water out.
I'm sure its really easy to construct domes in the desert, but how is I gonna mack on chicks at the mall way out in the freaky desert? I think the desert is a great place for many different types of earthships and stuff, but the climate here in texas is pretty much the same and I dont need shatter proof and freeze proof water windows after all... fugit about it
Wed, February 16, 2005 - 9:41 AMWho needs those expensive air forms anyway. I like your style, figuring out a way to do it cheaper yourself. I think the way you are doing it is going to be cool. Can't wait to see some pictures on your tribe.
How far along are you? Planning process or have you started building?
50 feet is big! That is going to be one big swimming pool.
Domes are so cool
Sat, January 24, 2009 - 11:29 AMI'm also in Texas so the dome features that are good in Montana or Santa Fe really aren't applicable here. I'm also working on a project that will involve domes much further south... i.e. Central America where too much rain is the main problem with building.
The only real feature of Biohome that is usable from my point of view is the foam.
"NCFI 3lb high density polyurethane foam"
Can we find out who the source is for this stuff and if they have an exclusive use contract with Biohome (which I seriously doubt)?
Sat, January 24, 2009 - 1:04 PMI'll answer my own question here:
I believe the above is probably the material they are using, but I definitely have the producer correct (www.ncfi.com/).
Sure would have been better for everyone if Biohome was more honest/open with their information. :)
Sat, January 24, 2009 - 1:35 PMNCFI offers Aldocoat 757, a spray-on ignition barrier coating for interior areas (where foam is exposed) to comply with building codes that require a 15-minute fire barrier.
Insulstar is only a 2lb closed cell foam which is NOT the correct one (sorry, my bad).
Enduratech 10-011 is the 3lb closed cell foam we want.
Thu, March 17, 2005 - 10:03 AMChad,
Thanks for your input. I won't "step into the ring" because I'm not here to do battle, but I am here to learn more about what people could stand to gain from this project. There is no need to question my reasoning for being "tangled up" in this thing. I have my reasons. I also have my reasons for living in Los Angeles, even though the project is centered in Northern Nevada, but those are personal.
Yes, it's true, anyone can go out there and buy all these parts and build their own home. I won't deny that, and neither will Ed. When you have done it, please let me know. I'll be among the first to come out and shake hands.
The reason we offer services for consultation is because it's not that easy to build a closed-system home. There are details that are forgotten, such as the afore-mentioned life-cycles of plants. That's one of thousands of things that need to be considered when constructing a BioHome. We don't just get stuff from home depot, we actually have researched around to choose the best vendors for the products on our site. We don't just offer site-space to any doo-hickey who pays us a fee. Everything on this site has been tested to all extreme conditions, both desert heat and snowy winters.
Yes, it is true, you can cool it with an ice cube and heat it with a candle. As said before, we have tested for the best quality products. Our foam team produces a foam that sets fast, resists fire and insect infestation, and when done properly has an R90 insulation value. I'm not Ed's son, but I have witnessed this.
And yes, we do charge a consultation fee for detailed information. This is a for-profit business. If you don't like that idea, then you don't have to pay for our service.
As I said before, I would love to see your success in doing this yourself. Keep me abreast of your status! When your home is done, let me know!
Mon, February 16, 2009 - 1:53 PMOn the Biohome website, there is some conflicting information:
1.) "We now have formed the A team which can travel anywhere in the world to apply NCFI's 368 2lb foam, using the special application perfected at BioHome. "
2.) "Gary Holstrom of North Carolina Foaming Industries came up with the perfect solution: NCFI 3lb high density polyurethane foam (also known as BioHome foam)."
So is the foam a 2 or 3 lb foam??
Also, according to the BioHome website:
"*Our BioHome Foam has an insulation rating of R7 per inch of thickness, which is also improved by the elastomeric coating by at least R4. The BioHome Project is built with a 12 inch thick wall, which gives it an R90 insulation rating. "
According to the source of the foam(NCFI), they have it rated at 6.25/inch... so to get a R90, the foam wall would have to be 14 INCHES THICK.
According to some math, a 20' dome (half sphere) has 628 square feet of surface area. I received a quote from a licensed application firm outside of Biohome for 4" of foam on a 20' dome for $8,478. To get 12" of foam, that number would triple to $25,434 (resulting in R75 rating, not R90).
Again, according to the website, a 20' geodesic framework is $1900. How much does it cost to spray foam over a 20' dome and how thick is it sprayed?
Sat, January 24, 2009 - 11:25 AMFrom my research, I've found that GardenDome.com has the best plans and basically sells blueprints and the connector pieces that make the dome possible... both in low-strength PVC, sch-80 PVC, and metal. Any geodesic design you can imagine and pretty much any size too.
Check em out... and NO, I have zero affiliations with this company.