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I live on a large hill. What if I placed cargo containers (about 5), interconnected by large diameter stainless steel tubes in it? Just need your thoughts first. Thanks, Clint
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Re: Underground Home Interconnected Cargo Containers
Fri, September 12, 2008 - 2:31 PMYou would just have to make sure they would support the weight of the earth on top of them, and that you had really good ventilation. -
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Re: Underground Home Interconnected Cargo Containers
Fri, September 12, 2008 - 4:57 PMThe load they have to carry is water soaked ground. They also have to carry that load after years of corrosion attacks the containers.
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Fri, January 9, 2009 - 8:40 PMcan you explain RCP please? Ive never heard that term
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Fri, January 9, 2009 - 8:41 PMd'oh, never mind its further down :-)
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Re: Underground Home Interconnected Cargo Containers
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 9:40 PM--Give up on the 'large diameter stainless steel tube' part and think maybe concrete drainage pipe instead. Steel is incredibly expensive these days; stainless doubly so.. -
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Re: Underground Home Interconnected Cargo Containers
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 10:48 PMI was thinking just connect them with smaller containers or just put them close together. Also isn't there a way to put a charge on the steel to keep it from corroding? I know they do that with some under ground pipes but not sure about the practicality of it for this application.
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Tue, September 16, 2008 - 2:05 PMNeat idea! Maybe there's a recommended material for a 'sacrificial anode'? Not sure..
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Re: Underground Home Interconnected Cargo Containers
Tue, January 6, 2009 - 8:54 AMThere is.... It's called Diaelectricl protection or some shit like that.
And you dont need to worry, it's a very small amount of volatage, not dangerous.
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Re: Underground Home Interconnected Cargo Containers
Wed, September 17, 2008 - 7:12 AM1) RCP == reinforced concrete pipe
2) a 'sacraficial' anode is 'sacraficial' it will be used up in a few years then what?
3) that may handle corrosion, if you can deal with the carge on your living container, but that will nto stop oxidation of the steel which will also destroy its strenth. -
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Re: Underground Home Interconnected Cargo Containers
Wed, September 17, 2008 - 9:49 AMWhat about some sort of rubberized paint? Or maybe that tar type stuff they line bathroom showers with before they tile them. Spray on some insulation and then cover it with a layer of tar. Set them up on blocks so the bottom isn't sitting in the dirt. Or how about getting those used billboard vinyls and layering them roofing style. Once they were buried they wouldn't disintegrate.
You really have to do your research on the ventilation aspect of this project. If it's not done properly it could be a dank, drippy, cold hovel.
How much is the RCP B? I don't think you would want it to be used! There is a link on this tribe were someone made some hostel type hotel rooms from some 10+ foot diameter RCP. Being in the trades myself I tend to shy away from things that are round as it takes so much more time to build around round as it does square. (for me anyway)
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Re: Underground Home Interconnected Cargo Containers
Wed, September 17, 2008 - 9:50 AMHow Interesting, I've often thought of containers before but the insulation always seems to be a problem, underground is a whole different story though, perhaps some type of coating is necessary before you stick dirt on top of them
I would only place a relatively small measure of dirt on top, no more than 5 feet -
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Re: Underground Home Interconnected Cargo Containers
Wed, September 17, 2008 - 10:54 AMdig a hole, lay a cement and rebar foundation, place the containers and weld together, frame in about a a foot away from all walls, fill with rebar, pour cement, remove frame and backfill with dirt, frame in your top, cover tops with rebar and cement, make sure to leave a way in and your done. -
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Wed, September 17, 2008 - 4:49 PMIf you are doing all that with the concrete; why limit yourself to container sizes? If you are trying to be economical by using shipping containers then find an economical way to insulate and seal them. I saw a link from this tribe once where some guy was using shipping containers and then wood framing both inside and outside the containers. It seemed to be a way more expensive and time consuming way to make a structure that ended up looking boxy and conventional.
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Wed, September 17, 2008 - 7:17 PMThat's silly. If you're going to wood frame a container then ust buid the frame and forget the container, save the cost.
You would never use tar in a bathroom with tile. never. Typical tile showers are Dens shield (green board) and tile. For the floor you use durrock, concrete board. The shower pan has to be built and that uses a rubber membrane. The pans are a fair amount of work to build up.
The amount of effert and cost you would ahve to go though to keep a shipping container dry and structually sound would negate any cost savings of the used containers. RCP of really cheap. Cheaper than steel. New RCP is really cheap.
I kind of like the challenge of building round. Looks kewl has many possibilities. Square is too easy.
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Re: Underground Home Interconnected Cargo Containers
Wed, September 17, 2008 - 9:14 PMsure it sounds cool. but they will rust
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Re: Underground Home Interconnected Cargo Containers
Mon, January 5, 2009 - 8:35 PMIf you do this - it would be great if you kept us updated !
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Re: Underground Home Interconnected Cargo Containers
Mon, January 12, 2009 - 4:50 AMCould you use ferro cement over the containers. Maybe reinforce the roof with scrap metal arches. Can you weld? It's not all that difficult and it doesn't have to be pretty. You can always drill then bolt scrap together. Then ferro cement on the inside too. Just saves building all of the forms. If the cargo containers were sealed in f.c. would they still rust??What part of the country do you live in?
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Re: Underground Home Interconnected Cargo Containers
Thu, March 12, 2009 - 12:13 PMNot sure this will answer any of your questions but here are a few links I've been collecting re. cargo containers.
BEWARE: many of these sites have links that will take you down a rabbit hole or two that will cost you a day's work if you surf from work.
Good luck!
www.architectureandhygiene.com/main.html
www.fabprefab.com/fabfiles/...ayhome.htm
www.addis.co.nz/containerm...tiongallery
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Fri, March 27, 2009 - 12:41 AMInteresting.. thanks for those links.. -
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Re: Underground Home Interconnected Cargo Containers
Sun, April 5, 2009 - 5:33 PMRecently was reading about this concept on another list. It turns out that the frame at the perimeter of the containers are very strong. This gives them there ability to be stacked on top of each other many many layers high. However the sheet metal on the roof will not support much weight. In other words very little load (dirt) can be placed on top inbound of the edges. -
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Re: Underground Home Interconnected Cargo Containers
Mon, April 6, 2009 - 9:24 AMTrue.
I know of one being used as a temporary storage room in northern California's coastal range. The roof is warped from what was a relatively small snow load that happened over the winter months. It was kinda surprising to see it bent like it was.
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